Thursday, August 5, 2010

Membrane Troubleshooting

Just want to share my experiences about membrane troubleshooting. Every time clients are complaining to me about the issue of low production upon installation of the new membrane, I always tell them that we have to test the membrane to confirm the issue. If clients are saying that it is a factory defect, upon testing the membrane, I will rule out that it is not factory defect but Customer’s Defect or Technician’s Defect.

What do I mean by this? First of all you have to understand that Reverse Osmosis is a technical concept and for you to fully understand the system, you have to know the Principle of Reverse Osmosis.

If someone will be saying that they know how to install the membrane but does not understand the concept, then that is where the problem always lies.

First every membrane has its own test protocol according to its applied pressure, production, NACL and recovery rate. When we talk of NACL, we are talking of the osmotic pressure, if someone will say they don’t know this but have installed so many membranes, do you think that guy is credible and competent enough to discuss issues about membrane trouble shooting.

Second, membrane production depends on feed pressure and flowrate. If you ask them what is the feed flowrate and they do not know the capacity of the pump head or the performance curve of the vertical motor that they are using? Patay na!

How about the capacity of the feed pump? Is it capable enough to sustain the requirement of the RO module? What is the assumptive delivery volume of the said pump once it reaches the pump head?

These are just some of the things to consider when designing a system or doing the membrane troubleshooting.

The membrane is the most sensitive part of the basic systems that we are selling (WRS Set-up) any deviation from the technical design would affect its performance.

The main issue is what part of the system is contributory to the failure of the membrane. That is where troubleshooting comes in. Sabi ko nga uli,”You Hit the Nail by the Head”. Others are doing the “Guessing Game” or others will be doing it their own way, sabi nga may sariling concept, habang gumagawa nga sila kumakanta pa ng “MY WAY ni Paul Anka”

I am telling you all of these not to offend others doing their livelihood but to inform them the need to enrich their knowledge so that they can became useful and not damaging to the Water Industry.

For me, I never stop reading water treatment articles and I even ask my friends if I have doubts on certain issues. I am not saying na sobrang galing ko, in fact marami pa ko di alam and how I wish na mas marami akong ma meet na tao na magagaling sa Water Treatment para lalo pa ko matuto.

I just try to see that what I am doing is within the bounds of water filtration and purification concept.

- Orly Shanghai

18 comments:

vjayskie said...

sir orly.. magaling po kayo....
sir orly can i ask question?...

Shanghai-Orly said...

Sir;

If you have any question Please do not hesitate to ask me or I would suggest to visit us here to discuss your question/s personally.

vjayskie said...

actually we have a WRS Sir... pero nung nagpalit kami ng membrane na ESPA 4 ung motor pump which is 1hp na nagbibigay ng tubig papunta sa membrane ay tuloy tuloy siya ndi nagsstop gaya ng dati...anu po kaya ang problem dun?.... tumataas kz bill namin dahil dun.. gamit po namin na procon is 330gph at kung ndi aq nagkakamali 1 or 1.5hp po ung nagpapaikot sa procon.. anu po solution nyo para d2 sir?..

Shanghai-Orly said...

Vjaykie,

If ro module stops running,solenoid valve should be in close position and the feed pump will also stop running due to the control of the high pressure switch.

If feed pump continues to run in spite of the fact that RO module is not running then it is due to the following.

1)There are leaks within the piping before the RO module.

2)solenoid valve is not working.


The membrane replacement,RO motor and and Procon has nothing to do with you problem

Please be noted that this analysis is based on your story.

vjayskie said...

tama po ung sinabi nyo sir pero pag pinatay po ung machine namamtay na rin po ung feed pump basta ma reach nya ung naka set na 20/40...

ung feed pump po namin is may pressure tank...

follow up question po.. kz dati kahit naka ON ung makina ung feed pump on and off siya....

pero nung nagpalit po kz kami ng mas malaki na membrane ndi na po siya nag ON and OFF ung feed pump..

kasi po sabi nung installer dati kelangan daw palitan rin ibang mga parts which is ang mahal aabot ng 150k daw pero ndi q na maalala kung anu ung mga papalitan na bahagi..
at sinabi pa niya na okei lang din daw kahit ndi kasi malaki naman daw ung motor pump na nagpapaikot sa procon...

ang problem po ngaun is ung feed pump... ndi siya nag on and off... khit po nka set siya ng 20/40... pag ON po ung machine ndi na siya namamatay..tuloy tuloy po siya at pag pinatay naman ung machine tsaka lang din po siya mag Off..

ndi po kaya un sa mga piping ng pump sir?... kz mas malaki nga ung membrane pero ung mga tubo papunta sa feed pump is 25mm or 3/4 po ung size..

anu po sa tingin nyo sir?.. tnx in advance....

Shanghai-Orly said...

Sir,

Punta ka nalang dito sa office para pag usapan natin ang boung detalye ng iyong system, marami po kasing mga un revealed details na na take up nong first story mo na sinabi mo sa second story that is why I commented that my recommendation on your problem is just based on your story.

just fill free to visit our office anytime.


thank you

Art Jay oliva said...

Good am! sir orly..plan po namin mag tayo ng water refilling business. pwede po ba na ako ang bibili ng materiales at ipapaasembol ko nalang sa technician?

Art Jay oliva said...

Good am! sir orly..plan po namin mag tayo ng water refilling business. pwede po ba na ako ang bibili ng materiales at ipapaasembol ko nalang sa technician?

Unknown said...

Gud pm Sir Orly. 3000gpd single membrane ang wrs ko.plano kong magdual membrane.papalitan ko rin ba ang RO pump ko. Magincrease rin ba ang production ko. Salamat Sir.

Unknown said...

Sir pano po gagawin ung isang water tank namin hindi ngkakarga ng tubig empty po ung tank pag i on mo aandar lang saglit then mamatay

Unknown said...

Salamat sir

Unknown said...

sir can you please illusttate to us how to install a new membrane

Unknown said...

Sir good day question po kakabili ko lang po nang membrane kasi mababa na talaga yung gauge nang membrane ko pero nung ininstall na namin ung bago kinagabihan bumaba agad ung gauge nang membrane as in wala na talagang production eh hnd naman po kmi nag lagay nang asin that time tapos pina rehab ko ung bagong membrane after 3 days nung na install na ulit sya bumaba nanamn ano po kaya ang problema nang membrane sir? Hnd ko alam kng sa membrane or sa other part nang machine yung issue sana po matulungan nyo ako thanks po at godbless

Unknown said...

Humina Ang daloy ng product paano po mawawasto?

Unknown said...

Sir ok na po ba yong problem about sa membrane..ano po yon problema..parehas kasi tayo

Unknown said...

Good after Sir. Baka sakali matulungan ninyo ako. Nag dagdag kami ng membrane (dual membrane na po) after 2 days biglang nag automatic on and off ang procon pump. (2-4 mins) interval aandar na naman. Ano po kaya naging problem?

Unknown said...

Sir, man God eve,I an roland go water treatment tenhnecian from cdo paki send yung mga product nyo po,salamat

Unknown said...

hi sir, ang problem po ng wrs nmin ay mahina po ang pumupuntang tubig sa product tank, ano po kaya reason, tpos yung flow meter po di umaangat